Roger Donne’s Miscellany: Descendants of Benjamin Snell

DONNE

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James DONNE = Caroline Alice SPRY

Married 28 May 1867, Register Office, Stoke Damerel, Devonport

James

Born St. Blazey, Cornwall
Christened 13 Mar 1836, St Blazey, Cornwall
Died 2 Jun 1911, Botus Fleming, Cornwall
The following is an extract from a factsheet produced by the National Martime Museum about the transition from sail to steam power, and in particular talks about the role of the 'engineer' as James Donne claimed to be:

What part did steam play in the Royal Navy in the 19th century?

The Battle of Navarino in 1827 was the last to be fought by the British Navy entirely with sailing ships. At first, however, the navy only used steamships for certain tasks. Steam tugs, for instance, manoeuvred large warships in and out of harbours. Navy commanders thought that engines and paddle-wheels were too unreliable to be used in the fighting ships themselves; furthermore the paddle-wheel and its protective cover did not allow a full broadside of cannon to be carried and were vulnerable to the enemies' shot. Officers also thought that steamships were not smart enough! So, at least until the 1860s, sailors in Her Majesty's Navy were trained in the traditions of sail, not steam.

When did steamships take over the long distance routes?

From about 1870, a new and much more efficient engine was introduced into ships, called the Triple Expansion Engine. It allowed steam to be used three times before being turned back by the condenser into fresh water for the boilers. The boilers themselves were improved in design to allow higher steam pressures. This all meant that the engines could propel the ship for longer distances before recoaling, and so take on long runs. However, some sailing ships continued to be used into the next century on runs where speed and timekeeping were not essential.

What effect did steamships have on sailors lives?
A whole new type of seafarer appeared. The traditional skills of working sails and ropes were eventually replaced by the craft of the 'marine engineer', sometimes sarcastically called 'engine drivers' by other members of the crew. In fact, many engineers had indeed driven steam trains before working on ships! For some time both Merchant and Royal Naval captains were puzzled about how to treat the engineers, and how they should fit into traditional ships' ranks. Working the ships' engines was dirty, hot, noisy and wet, as well as dangerous.

Stokers had to keep the furnaces fed with coal, while greasers kept the machinery parts well oiled. In addition, of course, there was the refuelling or 'coaling' which was an exhausting job involving the shovelling and carrying of coal from dockside to ships' bunkers.
A comprehensive history is to be found in "Up Funnel, Down Screw' by Commander Penn, published in 1955. This notes that Engineers were included in the Navy List from 1870. It also mentions an earlier publication listing Engineers published by J.R.H. Spry of 100 Fore Street Devonport from 1867 until 1874, 3 times a year. It was edited by the publisher's brother, Engineer W.J.I Spry. Could there be a family connection here through Caroline Spry? The title of the publication was " The Engineer Officers' Navy List, and handbook of information for the Steam Branch of the Royal Navy".

Copy of Will and Grant of Probate dated July 1911.

This is the last will and testament of me James Donne of Swifteford Farm Hatt. I hereby revoke all former Wills and I now appoint Edward Salway of 113 Fore Street Devonport as my executor and trustee. After the payment of my just debts funeral and testamentary expenses I bequeath unto my daughter Mrs Ellis sufficient to purchase an annuity of £30. I bequeath unto Annie Stevens sufficient to purchase an annuity of £13. I bequeath unto Mary Elizabeth Stevens sufficient to purchase an annuity of £13. I bequeath unto my daughter Frances the small house at Riverside known as The Firs now occupied by my wife who I consider is well provided for by her private means and probably a pension from the Government. I bequeath unto my daughter Mabel Hilda Tyrrell the sum of £250 and to each of her three children the sum of £100. As regards my son I have given him sums of money or the equivalent during my lifetime. I bequeath unto my grandchildren Gwendolene Enid and Christopher the sum of £100 each. After the above payments I leave the residue of my real and personal estate to my executor Edward Salway.

Dated the second day of June 1911 JAMES DONNE

Signed by James Donne as his last will and testament in the presence of us who in the presence of each other have hereunto set our hands as witnesses
WILLIAM TAMBLYN -
ELIZABETH STEPHENS
Affidavit of due execution filed on the 1st day of July 1911
Probate of this will was granted to Edward Salway the sole Executor



It seems likely that James Donne learnt the iron founder's trade at the St Blazey Foundry. This was built by William West in 1848. William West was a talented mining engineer who decided that the best way to get his orders fulfilled with sufficient speed and tohis satisfaction was to start a foundry of his own. The Foundry was small, employing about 60 persons, and carried out a number of unusual contracts such as the Newquay and Cornwall Junction Railway, 1865-67. WIlliam West died in 1879, and the foundry close in 1891, after being run subsequent to his death by his two sons. William West is also credited with reopening the Phoenix Mine, and provided much employment in the neighbourhood.
In the 1861 Census, James Donne, aged 27, is recorded as Assistant Engineer on board HMS Exmouth, Captain Paynter

In memory of James Donne who died 2 June 1911 aged 74 years
In memory of James Donne who died 2 June 1911 aged 74 years

Caroline Alice

Alias Caroline Alice DONNE
Born 21 Nov 1846, Stonehouse, Devon
Died ABT Sep 1923, Devonport RD
I have copy of her bible inscribed on the flyleaf ' Caroline A. Donne Nov 21 1871 A Birthday Gift from her Mama (H Spry)'
A Mrs C Donne is recorded as living at The Firs, Saltash Passage in the 1906-7 The Post Office Directory of Plymouth, Devonport and Stonehouse. The Fiirs was a house in the possession of the Donne family at about this time
Probate for her Wll was granted on 1 November 1923 to the executrices Frances Beatrice Donne abd Nabel Hilda Terrill (wife of Charles Henry Terrill) daughters of the deceased with an address of 9 Victoria Place, Stoke, Devonport. Caroline Alice Donne is recorded as living there at the time of her death on 7 September 1923, but formerly of 'The Firs' St Budeaux, Devonport.

Children

Caroline Alice Maude

Alias Caroline Alice Maude ELLIS (Jun 1892)
Born ABT Sep 1867, Stonehouse, Devon
Listed as niece (actually grandniece) in the household of Caroline T Oram, aged 23 and employed as schoolteacher.
Caroline Alice Maude Donne of Saltash Passage is mentioned as such in her grandmother's will (dated 1880) in which she receives a legacy of ten pounds. No other grandchildren or her surviving daughter are mentioned.

James Frederick = Mary Sarah KING > Family

Married 16 Apr 1901, St. Budeaux Parish Church, Devonport

James Frederick

Born 23 Dec 1870, 16 Paradise Place, Stoke Damerel, Devonport
Died 2 Jul 1951, 'Riverside', Saltash Passage, St Budeaux, Plymouth
Recorded on marriage certificate as 'The Firs'. House on the corner of Wolseley Road approaching Saltash Passage
In about 1900 J.F Donne combined forces with Tozer and Allen to build Lynher Terrace; in 1902,2 Lynher Terrace was occupied by the Baptist Pastor, the Rev. Henry Smart. The old methods of working required more men than today which gave a source of income for many local tradesman workin gin the locality (see picture, reference Marshall Ware - The Ancient Parish of St. Budeaux)
A photograph datng from about 1900 shows J.F. Donne's building yard off Vicarage Road (now Normandy Way). His father, James Donne, built a number of houses in this area from 1890 onwards and the Donne family owned over thirty at one time.

A famly anecdote records that James, as a young man 'ran away' to Canada and was rounded up and returned to England by the Mounties (RCMP). The truth of this is uncertain, but note that James Frederick Donne does not feature in the 1891 census for Devon.

The UK outbound passenger lists show a James Donne, aged 19, voyaging from Liverpool to Quebec in 1890 (see http://www.findmypast.com/). The complete transcription is as follows:

Name: James DONNE
Date of departure: 17 April 1890
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Quebec Destination country: Canada
Age: 19
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Lab

Ship: SARDINIAN
Official Number: 0
Master's name: William Richardson
Steamship Line: Allan Line
Where bound: Quebec Port, Canada
Square feet: 12926
Registered tonnage: 2577
Passengers on voyage: 790



Building Work in Progress
Building Work in Progress

JFDonne's Builders Yard
JFDonne's Builders Yard

Mary Sarah

Alias Mary Sarah DONNE (1901)
Born 16 Aug 1871, Butshead Mill, St Budeaux
Died 31 May 1955, 'Riverside', Saltash Passage, St Budeaux, Plymouth, Devon
Buried 3 Jun 1955, Higher St.Budeaux Parish Church
Recorded on marriage certificate as 'Waverley Villas'. House in Normandy Way, on the old road to Saltash Passage, now blocked off at the Tamar Bridge works
Reminiscences of Mary Sarah Donne nee King are recorded as follows, quoted in a book on shipping in the River Tamar:

"Of the building of the Flora May (the name of a barge) Miss Florence
Daymond relates a conversation with an elderly relative, the late Mrs Donne
of St Budeaux, who told her that Miss Daymond's father had 'borrowed 400
sovereigns from us, and paid it all back, plus interest, within three
years'."

The full reference for the book is: Merry, Ian D. (1980) The Shipping and
Trade of the River Tamar, parts 1 and 2. National Maritime Museum,
Greenwich.

Frances Beatrice

Alias Frances Beatrice ENGLISH
Born 1875, Devonport
Died 29 Mar 1937, St Budeaux, Plymouth

Mabel Hilda

Alias Mabel Hilda TERRILL
Born 1880, St. Budeaux, Plymouth, Devon
Died 13 Mar 1935, Plymouth, Devon

Mabel Donne, degree in Music
Mabel Donne, degree in Music

Family


1871 Census records the following:
RG10/2136
Address: 16 Paradise Place, Stoke, Devonport
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
James Donne, Head, 30?, Retired Engineer RN, Born Cornwall, St. Blazey
Caroline Donne, Wife, 24, Born Devon, Stonehouse
James F Donne, Son, 3 mths, Born Devon, Devonport
Sarah Donne, Sister, 48, Visitor, Cornwall, St. Blazey
Jane Be_rick, Servant, 34, General Servant, Domestic, Born Cornwall Sancreed?
1881 Census records the family living at 16 Saltash Passage, St Budeaux as follows:

James DONNE Head M Male 44 St Blazey, Cornwall, England Retired Engineer
Caroline A. DONNE Wife M Female 34 Stonehouse, Devon, England
Caroline A.M. DONNE Daur Female 13 Devonport, Devon, England Scholar
James F. DONNE Son Male 10 Stoke, Devon, England Scholar
Frances B. DONNE Daur Female 6 Devonport, Devon, England Scholar
Mabel H. DONNE Daur Female 13 m St Budeaux, Devon, England

Source Information:
Dwelling: 16 Saltash Passage
Census Place: St Budeaux, Devon, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2188 / 125
Page Number 26




1891 Census records the following:
Piece: RG12/1723
Place: Plympton St Mary-Devon
Enumeration District: 16
Civil Parish: St Budeaux
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Budeaux
Folio: 116 Page: 15 Schedule: 95
Address: Saltash Passage
DONNE James, Head, M, M, 54, Ret Navy Engineer, Cornwall - St Blazey
DONNE Caroline A., Wife, M, F, 44, ,Devon - Stonehouse
DONNE Frances B. ,Dau, S, F, 16, Scholar, Devon - Devonport
DONNE Mabel H., Dau, S, F, 11, Scholar,Devon - St Budeaux




1901 Census records Caroline, Frances & Mabel at 'The Firs'. Saltash Passage, whereas James Donne is a 'visitor' at Swifteford Farm, Botus Fleming
A Mrs C Donne is recorded as living at The Firs, Saltash Passage in the 1906-7 The Post Office Directory of Plymouth, Devonport and Stonehouse. This is confirmed by the address in the 1901 Census, where she is recorded as living with her two unmarried daughters, Frances and Mabel.
In a search of the transcribed 1911 census, a James DONNE aged 69 is resident in a household in St Germans RD. The age of 69, giving a birth year of 1842 is clearly incorrect.